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INCOMING TELEGRAM Department of State   DOCUMENT 1
                                        Declassified Docum
                                          Reference System
                                   (Her after DDRS) 1975:1

     Control:  4223
     Roc'd:    MARCH 6, 1964
     FROM:     DJAKARTA  8:36 A.M.
     ACTION:   SECSTATE 1854 IMMEDIATE
     INFO:     KUALA LUMPUR 676 IMMEDIATE
     DATE:     MARCH 6, 6 P.M.
     LIMDIS
     DEPTEL 946

DURING HOUR AND TEN MINUTE CONVERSATION WITH GEN NASUTION THIS
MORNING, I MADE MAJOR POINTS IN REFTEL.  I SAID I CAME IN SPIRIT OF
FRIEND OF INDONESIA WHO SAW STORM CLOUDS ON HORIZON AND WHO BELIEVED
IN OLD ADAGE, AN OUNCE OF PRVENTION IS WORTH POUND OF CURE.  NASUTION
LISTENED SOBERLY FOR HALF AN HOUR AS I PAINTED PICTURE OF CRITICAL
ECONOMIC SITUATION, COLLISION COURSE ON WHICH GO I, SERIOUSNESS OF
SITUATION THAT MIGHT DEVELOP IF BANGKOK TALKS PAILED AND OBVIOUS FACT
THAT SITUATION APPEARED TO BE PLAYING INTO HANDS OF PKI THREATENING
HIS OWN STATED OBJECTIVES FOR INDONESIA AND LEADING TO POSSIBLE
SERIOUS BREACH WITH FREE WORLD AND SPECIFICALLY US.  INTENT DOWN THE
LINE REMINDING NASUTION AMENDMENTS OF AID LEGISLATION MIGHT SOON FORCE
US TO CANCEL ALL AID TO INDONESIA AS WELL AS ANZUS TREATY OBLIGATIONS
WHICH WOULD APPLY IF AUSTRALIAN AND NEW ZEALAND FORCES BECAME
INVOLVED.

NASUTION SAID HE DID NOT DISAGREE WITH MY ANALYSIS OF THE SITUATION
WHICH INTERNALLY AND EXTERNALLY HE REGARDED AS MOST SERIOUS.  HE
REMINDED ME THAT MONTHS AGO HE HAD STATED HIS PESSIMISTIC OUTLOOK OVER
THE MALAYSIA PROBLEM AND HIS CONVICTION THAT THE MANILA-TOKYO TALKS
COULD NOT RPT NOT ACTUALLY SOLVE PROBLEM.  HE ADMITTED FRANKLY
CONFRONTATION WAS HURTING

COMMENT:  MY IMPRESSION WAS THAT NASUTION WAS IMPRESSED AND SOBERED
THOUGH NOT SURPRISED BY SERIOUS VIEW WE WERE TAKING OF CURRENT
SITUATION.  ALTHOUGH HE CAREFULLY AVOIDED COMMENT ON EFFECT
DEVELOPMENTS MIGHT HAVE ON US-INDO RELATIONS, HE OBVIOUSLY FULLY
GRASPED IMPLICATIONS AND I AM CONFIDENT THIS PART OF CONVERSATION WILL
BE PASSED ON.

NASUTION DEMONSTRATED COMPLETE FAMILIARITY WITH SERIOUSNESS OF
ECONOMIC AND FOOD SITUATION (VOLUNTEERED TEN PER CENT OF JAPANESE
GOING HUNGRY) AND MADE NO ATTEMPT TO GLOSS OVER ITS IMPLICATION.

I EMERGED WITH FOLLOWING CONCLUSIONS:  1.  SHORT OF POLITICAL
SETTLEMENT, INDO MILITARY ARE DETERMINED TO CONTINUE CONFRONTATION BUT
WILL HANDLE WITH GLOVES TO PREVENT ESCALATION INTO LARGE SCALE
CONFLICT AND WILL PLACE INCREASING EMPHASIS ON POLITICAL
INDOCTRINATION OF "FREEDOM FIGHTERS" AS AGAINST JUNGLE WARFARE.

2.  NASUTION AT LEAST WAS ALERT TO PKI DANGERS INTERNALLY AND PLACING
GREAT EMPHASIS ON INDOCTRINATION OF OFFICERS AND MEN TO ENSURE
MILITARY WILL BE READY TO MEET CHALLENGE WHEN IT CAME.  INDO ARMY
STILL ANTI-COMMUNIST IN OUTLOOK, HE INSISTED.

3.  INDO MILITARY APPRENTLY HAD NO PLANS TO DEAL WITH ECONOMIC
PROBLEMS OF NATION BUT ONLY THREAT TO NATION'S INDEPENDENCE WHICH SUCH
PROBLEMS MIGHT BRING IN THEIR WAKE.

HE AVOIDED LIKE THE PLAGUE ANY DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE MILITARY
TAKEOVER, EVEN THOUGH THIS HOVERED IN AIR THOROUGHOUT TALK, AND AT NO
TIME DID HE PICK UP OBVIOUS HINTS OF US SUPPORT IN TIME OF CRISIS.

I INTEND CONTINUE THIS TYPE OF CONVERSATION WITH OTHER MILITARY
LEADERS, FIRST WITH GEN YANI.

AT OPENING OF CONVERSATION I PRESENTED AUTOGRAPHED PHOTOGRAPH OF
NASUTION ON MEETING PRES JOHNSON FOR WHICH NASUTION EXPRESSED DEEP
APPRECIATION.  GP-3.
                                                         JONES
MV
NOTE: PASSED WHITE HOUSE 3/6/64, 9:20 AM.
ADVANCE COPY TO S/S-0, 3/6/64, 8:41 AM.

REPRODUCTION FROM THIS COPY IS
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